1 00:00:06,950 --> 00:00:05,900 well let's talk about again let's get 2 00:00:09,650 --> 00:00:06,960 back to the relationship and how it 3 00:00:11,060 --> 00:00:09,660 changed because I'm curious if when you 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:11,070 first connected with Eve you said you 5 00:00:13,970 --> 00:00:12,330 feel he changed around the time he 6 00:00:15,259 --> 00:00:13,980 became president she changed somewhere 7 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:15,269 along the line I think when he was 8 00:00:21,140 --> 00:00:18,029 growing up he became a senator I got 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:21,150 like separated from him I've gone back 10 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:25,410 to Africa in 1995 for those reasons now 11 00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:27,000 I didn't want anything to do the Western 12 00:00:31,790 --> 00:00:29,160 Western civilization I want to go back 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:31,800 to African civilization I was there for 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:35,250 two years and then I was broke so I to 15 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:38,250 come back I had an alternative I had to 16 00:00:43,819 --> 00:00:40,980 come back so I call him and I said oh 17 00:00:45,950 --> 00:00:43,829 brother I'm out of cash I need a place 18 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:45,960 to crash but even for a little bit until 19 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:50,160 I get up on my feet and he says no I'm 20 00:00:55,250 --> 00:00:51,420 asking why I said something about 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:55,260 Michelle you know okay that's all you 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:00:56,730 were looking at crash in Chicago I 23 00:01:01,639 --> 00:00:59,010 needed a place to stay I don't know 24 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:01,649 money I need to come back remember I had 25 00:01:06,530 --> 00:01:04,080 shipped all my stuff back to Africa and 26 00:01:08,450 --> 00:01:06,540 this all was never coming back so this 27 00:01:09,649 --> 00:01:08,460 was after your conversion to Islam and 28 00:01:11,690 --> 00:01:09,659 you would basically cleaned yourself up 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:11,700 yes and now you were looking to come 30 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:15,930 back to the US and and where was Sheila 31 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:19,170 you said no no Michelle no no your 32 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:20,850 second who you ended up marrying Sheree 33 00:01:24,380 --> 00:01:22,470 Sheree oh sorry 34 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:24,390 you know I split up with her - you had 35 00:01:27,530 --> 00:01:25,860 split up with her - yeah but you were 36 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:27,540 just looking to come back now to the US 37 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:30,329 for hoping for an opportunity here now 38 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:31,740 that you had cleaned up well now I was 39 00:01:34,990 --> 00:01:33,329 broke but you were broke 40 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:35,000 yeah I was broke I'd run out of money 41 00:01:40,460 --> 00:01:38,520 I'd run out of money yeah all I could 42 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:40,470 think of was I had no alternative and 43 00:01:45,740 --> 00:01:42,890 back home nothing was happening because 44 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:45,750 you know the dynamics dead like you got 45 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:49,320 to know somebody you know and and so I 46 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:53,100 wasn't I don't know again I had hid on 47 00:02:03,289 --> 00:01:57,420 the wall I was up against I was well how 48 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:03,299 do you say it hit bottom bottom okay so 49 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:06,630 I needed it try to come back you know so 50 00:02:10,790 --> 00:02:08,670 what I did I had a few things I think I 51 00:02:13,619 --> 00:02:10,800 had some new diamonds or something I 52 00:02:16,949 --> 00:02:13,629 sold those and then I got a ticket 53 00:02:18,539 --> 00:02:16,959 so I came back and before I did that I 54 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:18,549 called him and I said can I come 55 00:02:22,949 --> 00:02:20,889 maybe I could crash not that I really 56 00:02:24,869 --> 00:02:22,959 wanted to be with him I just said I 57 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:24,879 didn't have a place to stay I said okay 58 00:02:30,179 --> 00:02:26,560 there's my brother at that time I was 59 00:02:32,789 --> 00:02:30,189 still those we were still brothers and 60 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:32,799 was he in the Illinois State Senate at 61 00:02:38,550 --> 00:02:34,810 that time yeah I think he was here to 62 00:02:42,569 --> 00:02:38,560 stay in 1995 I think he was a senator 63 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:42,579 yes in Illinois they said no so I came 64 00:02:50,750 --> 00:02:44,889 back and I just came I landed back in 65 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:50,760 the USA and mmm thank God I had a friend 66 00:02:56,189 --> 00:02:54,250 my old friend Joe I called him I was at 67 00:02:58,890 --> 00:02:56,199 the train station I said I'm in the USA 68 00:03:01,559 --> 00:02:58,900 I have nowhere to go 69 00:03:03,929 --> 00:03:01,569 he called me a boom boom whoa there's a 70 00:03:06,569 --> 00:03:03,939 time I was a boom oh there's a time I 71 00:03:08,909 --> 00:03:06,579 was Bobby then I was Roy yeah 72 00:03:12,149 --> 00:03:08,919 then I was a boom whoa that was my 73 00:03:20,939 --> 00:03:12,159 African name everybody was to call me a 74 00:03:24,210 --> 00:03:20,949 boom a bongo boom and then after that 75 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:24,220 then I became Malik you know that she 76 00:03:31,580 --> 00:03:26,290 that's your Muslim names man was that's 77 00:03:36,990 --> 00:03:31,590 that's that is Malik that is Malcolm X 78 00:03:38,099 --> 00:03:37,000 Malik el-shabazz so I got that name so 79 00:03:41,699 --> 00:03:38,109 when you came back to the u.s. at that 80 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:41,709 time now you were going by Malik now I'm 81 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:43,810 still up over at that time okay no still 82 00:03:50,249 --> 00:03:46,900 a Boomer at the time and then he said 83 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:50,259 okay hey look I have a house I bought a 84 00:03:55,589 --> 00:03:53,889 house and I have a room for you come 85 00:04:00,330 --> 00:03:55,599 well means you're welcome 86 00:04:04,399 --> 00:04:00,340 so I stayed with Joe for from 1997 when 87 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:04,409 I came back up until 19 out up until 88 00:04:17,909 --> 00:04:11,590 2000 the year 2005 when he died and your 89 00:04:21,689 --> 00:04:17,919 brother became Senator in 2004 2004 five 90 00:04:23,370 --> 00:04:21,699 I think maybe he won election and no 91 00:04:27,270 --> 00:04:23,380 floor problem yeah hi 92 00:04:29,010 --> 00:04:27,280 and the beginning of the 2005 and 93 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:29,020 those few years that you were in DC you 94 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:31,600 kept in touch with him when I came back 95 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:34,540 yeah okay so what happened was that okay 96 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:36,730 so he lands he finds out that I'm in the 97 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:40,600 USA and he they calls me or he writes me 98 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:44,710 a letter and he's upset because I'm in 99 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:49,030 the USA and I haven't communicated with 100 00:04:55,530 --> 00:04:52,050 him I didn't let him know that I'm here 101 00:04:57,470 --> 00:04:55,540 so I get upset myself and I gotcha 102 00:05:00,720 --> 00:04:57,480 you know so I scold him on the phone 103 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:00,730 when I tell him brother when I was 104 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:02,350 coming and I asked you could I stay with 105 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:02,590 you 106 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:09,660 in the gutter right now in a shelter I 107 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:12,240 could be out on the street 108 00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:18,900 why am I supposed to call you and you 109 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:22,780 abandoned me he rejected me he should 110 00:05:26,909 --> 00:05:24,430 have at least checked on you what'd you 111 00:05:31,260 --> 00:05:26,919 say no he was my brother had no and then 112 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:31,270 such and another thing your aunt is in 113 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:33,430 Boston hi Tony 114 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:38,490 Attorney is my aunt she's the one who 115 00:05:47,450 --> 00:05:43,180 who hosted him in Kenya or any first 116 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:47,460 came when he came in 1988 there's a VW 117 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:49,360 Volkswagen I don't know if you guys have 118 00:05:55,770 --> 00:05:53,530 seen it that says she gave it to him he 119 00:05:57,870 --> 00:05:55,780 talks a lot about that we don't know he 120 00:05:59,520 --> 00:05:57,880 does because it broke it continually 121 00:06:04,140 --> 00:05:59,530 broke down apparently on this trip yes 122 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:04,150 so so or you can push the microphone 123 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:06,010 back I told you either way right yeah so 124 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:09,340 I say so and your aunt's is struggling 125 00:06:17,250 --> 00:06:13,840 in Boston and you are and you kid you 126 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:17,260 give her a hand you know why don't you 127 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:19,180 give a hand so he tells me that she came 128 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:26,470 to the US without a plan so I think he 129 00:06:29,159 --> 00:06:28,300 got upset because I chewed him I scolded 130 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:29,169 him on the phone 131 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:31,570 that's from that time you sorry you were 132 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:32,800 just suggesting that he help her out a 133 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:35,950 bit right yeah I think he was obligated 134 00:06:42,989 --> 00:06:40,449 to mm-hmm he said of she's his aunt his 135 00:06:44,969 --> 00:06:42,999 does father sister I don't know about 136 00:06:47,129 --> 00:06:44,979 all that because everybody when I say 137 00:06:49,589 --> 00:06:47,139 that he should help his family people 138 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:49,599 think that no they keep telling me that 139 00:06:56,939 --> 00:06:54,550 he has no obligation to his family he 140 00:07:00,890 --> 00:06:56,949 doesn't have to do that you know they 141 00:07:03,659 --> 00:07:00,900 should like do for themselves you know 142 00:07:06,529 --> 00:07:03,669 so I know I just neither here don't 143 00:07:08,549 --> 00:07:06,539 there but I feel that family is family 144 00:07:09,299 --> 00:07:08,559 and there's a reason why I became 145 00:07:11,730 --> 00:07:09,309 president 146 00:07:13,739 --> 00:07:11,740 you know maybe God said okay because 147 00:07:15,570 --> 00:07:13,749 your family struggling I'm gonna give 148 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:15,580 you this so that you can help them out 149 00:07:26,339 --> 00:07:19,449 and help others one time he told me that 150 00:07:29,610 --> 00:07:26,349 I'm not his cost constituent that's the 151 00:07:31,529 --> 00:07:29,620 language he used you know and this is 152 00:07:33,779 --> 00:07:31,539 the time when he became elected 153 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:33,789 president we were celebrating 154 00:07:41,549 --> 00:07:38,770 i slaughtered five bulls because of to 155 00:07:44,939 --> 00:07:41,559 celebrate his his election five Bulls 156 00:07:46,559 --> 00:07:44,949 the whole family came down and we do 157 00:07:49,019 --> 00:07:46,569 everybody I don't know if you've seen it 158 00:07:51,869 --> 00:07:49,029 on TV maybe that time it was all over 159 00:07:54,450 --> 00:07:51,879 the world how we were celebrating his 160 00:07:55,829 --> 00:07:54,460 victory I slaughtered five bulls just 161 00:07:58,889 --> 00:07:55,839 because he's my brother 162 00:08:02,070 --> 00:07:58,899 so you were in Kenya when he won yes I 163 00:08:06,119 --> 00:08:02,080 was hmm so when he so the night that 164 00:08:08,459 --> 00:08:06,129 they announced that he had defeated John 165 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:08,469 McCain for president 166 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:10,930 it was a huge celebration in Kenya it 167 00:08:16,379 --> 00:08:14,050 was like it was a blowout everybody was 168 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:16,389 so happy we were so happy up until now 169 00:08:23,459 --> 00:08:20,050 and I keep telling him your family they 170 00:08:25,379 --> 00:08:23,469 love you you know but you got to do 171 00:08:29,699 --> 00:08:25,389 something for them why don't you just go 172 00:08:34,079 --> 00:08:29,709 just dig a Bohol me wife ha ha boy is it 173 00:08:36,839 --> 00:08:34,089 a ball a ball a ball is where you drill 174 00:08:39,389 --> 00:08:36,849 a drill blowhole how do you pronounce it 175 00:08:45,769 --> 00:08:39,399 in Oro well you mean like drill a well 176 00:08:51,179 --> 00:08:45,779 yeah for water they're not Abajo Abajo 177 00:08:53,009 --> 00:08:51,189 Abajo okay it's just my accent and 178 00:08:54,170 --> 00:08:53,019 pronunciation but I think you know what 179 00:08:56,180 --> 00:08:54,180 it is like dig away 180 00:08:58,610 --> 00:08:56,190 yes that would be more official to the 181 00:09:01,310 --> 00:08:58,620 community just for the family and you 182 00:09:03,740 --> 00:09:01,320 know it doesn't cost much I could do it 183 00:09:06,650 --> 00:09:03,750 for them but they wanted him to do it 184 00:09:08,930 --> 00:09:06,660 something that he does for them you know 185 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:08,940 so slaughtering five bulls tell me about 186 00:09:12,350 --> 00:09:10,470 that what's the significance of that in 187 00:09:15,050 --> 00:09:12,360 America we don't do that you should ask 188 00:09:17,180 --> 00:09:15,060 Rob Riley he's a correspondent he's a 189 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:17,190 reporter and look him up he's Rob 190 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:20,250 Crowley a lot of people came down and we 191 00:09:23,540 --> 00:09:22,290 had a good time but what's the 192 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:23,550 significance of slaughtering the Bulls 193 00:09:27,350 --> 00:09:25,200 it means you're gonna eat them it's a 194 00:09:29,930 --> 00:09:27,360 big occasion it's only a significant 195 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:29,940 occasion you know to slaughter bull in 196 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:31,860 the African tradition is like it's to 197 00:09:37,579 --> 00:09:36,300 celebrate and but I presume you're gonna 198 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:37,589 eat them of course 199 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:39,570 okay and how and you were the one that 200 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:42,120 slaughtered them yourself no I don't do 201 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:44,130 it myself oh good somebody I just you 202 00:09:48,980 --> 00:09:46,320 know bought them and family or somebody 203 00:09:51,170 --> 00:09:48,990 and so that's so that's not like a 204 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:51,180 ceremony where it's done in the in a big 205 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:53,550 big circle you see slaughter fight bulls 206 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:55,200 it means I'm feeding everybody with five 207 00:09:59,510 --> 00:09:57,360 yes you're doing that and you fight 208 00:10:01,970 --> 00:09:59,520 everybody people are then it's a big 209 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:01,980 celebration it's a big thing you know 210 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:04,410 and it's like a big party you know I 211 00:10:09,769 --> 00:10:06,480 don't know what it is so you had this 212 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:09,779 like Thanksgiving maybe what you call 213 00:10:14,390 --> 00:10:12,660 here a New Year's Day yeah you know 214 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:14,400 something like that so you had this 215 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:18,240 little falling-out over him not said no 216 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:19,680 to you staying with him and then didn't 217 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:21,750 follow up with you at all and then and 218 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:23,330 you had that kind of conversation that 219 00:10:28,190 --> 00:10:26,370 was a how did that conversation ended it 220 00:10:29,930 --> 00:10:28,200 and we're brothers again or was a kind 221 00:10:32,449 --> 00:10:29,940 of very cold after long at that time 222 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:32,459 then you know it wasn't the same because 223 00:10:37,069 --> 00:10:34,620 in the beginning we took each other for 224 00:10:38,390 --> 00:10:37,079 granted you know there's a difference 225 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:38,400 when you have a relationship where you 226 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:40,500 take the other person you take yourself 227 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:41,160 for granted 228 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:43,260 you just know that oh Michael we'll be 229 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:46,440 there if something ever Jim yeah if I 230 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:47,610 come to the airport I know he's gonna 231 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:50,850 pick me up if I call if I call him you 232 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:53,279 know and so forth and so on just like 233 00:10:58,699 --> 00:10:55,140 that you know that's how it used to be 234 00:11:01,460 --> 00:10:58,709 mm-hmm you know it was a given that I'd 235 00:11:02,630 --> 00:11:01,470 be his best man it was a given that he'd 236 00:11:05,820 --> 00:11:02,640 be my best man 237 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:05,830 you know no I mean it wouldn't be any 238 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:08,410 it wouldn't be otherwise that kind of 239 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:10,690 thing so when number one I couldn't go 240 00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:12,670 state and then I knew all reality said 241 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:14,860 you know in my mind was wow what was 242 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:19,240 that you know so that's where now I knew 243 00:11:25,079 --> 00:11:21,279 things were different it took a 244 00:11:26,910 --> 00:11:25,089 different their relationship changed his 245 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:26,920 view of family was very different than 246 00:11:32,850 --> 00:11:30,430 yours defendant had I just like assumed 247 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:32,860 just like I assumed that he was my 248 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:35,890 brother you know when I first met him I 249 00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:39,490 just assumed you know well I mean here's 250 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:41,950 a theory that you know he was very 251 00:11:45,509 --> 00:11:43,930 excited and anxious to to find his 252 00:11:49,319 --> 00:11:45,519 family and learn who his family wasn't 253 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:49,329 connect with them but once he had 254 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:51,130 connected with them it's like kind of 255 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:53,920 okay now I can kind of put that over 256 00:11:59,490 --> 00:11:57,250 here I know who my family is now but 257 00:12:00,990 --> 00:11:59,500 they're not part of my upbringing 258 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:01,000 they're not part of my day-to-day life 259 00:12:10,050 --> 00:12:05,800 and you know he didn't embrace it as his 260 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:10,060 true true family so that's exactly how 261 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:10,740 it is 262 00:12:15,870 --> 00:12:12,850 and thanks for putting it that way 263 00:12:21,139 --> 00:12:15,880 because now I know that's how it is you 264 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:21,149 know I'm getting to what kind to 265 00:12:28,019 --> 00:12:24,430 processes I just yeah yeah well I'm not 266 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:28,029 part of that frankly is American versus 267 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:30,310 Kenyan you know in other countries and I 268 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:31,930 know this through my fiance and so on 269 00:12:38,430 --> 00:12:36,190 family is like this I mean America I 270 00:12:41,310 --> 00:12:38,440 don't know how weird all other countries 271 00:12:43,829 --> 00:12:41,320 but family's pretty loose here I don't 272 00:12:48,449 --> 00:12:43,839 agree with you Jim no that's not the 273 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:48,459 America that I know I think family value 274 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:52,990 of of America that I know is family yeah 275 00:12:56,579 --> 00:12:55,120 they say family but it when they say 276 00:12:59,639 --> 00:12:56,589 family they're not saying it the way 277 00:13:04,970 --> 00:12:59,649 Kenyan say fam no people here will leave 278 00:13:09,389 --> 00:13:08,009 that's the America that I know I don't 279 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:09,399 know okay you're telling me something 280 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:09,850 else 281 00:13:15,180 --> 00:13:12,130 you know well here's one of my theories 282 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:15,190 about it in in countries where that are 283 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:18,390 not as well off oftentimes 284 00:13:25,130 --> 00:13:22,370 children cannot afford to leave the home 285 00:13:27,650 --> 00:13:25,140 grandparents can't afford to have their 286 00:13:29,570 --> 00:13:27,660 own home so you have families supporting 287 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:29,580 each other in living together and 288 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:33,630 therefore being much closer here where 289 00:13:38,270 --> 00:13:35,850 people are a little better off the kid 290 00:13:39,530 --> 00:13:38,280 turns 18 and suddenly you know Deb gives 291 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:39,540 them money to go get his own apartment 292 00:13:47,780 --> 00:13:41,910 and get a car and he's off and running 293 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:47,790 and and kids leave the house and the 294 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:49,290 families don't continue to live together 295 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:50,910 they move to another city there's lots 296 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:52,560 of options here in America of other 297 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:54,990 cities to go work at and we wind up 298 00:14:00,350 --> 00:13:58,290 scattered all over the country yeah but 299 00:14:05,210 --> 00:14:00,360 in fact Thanksgiving Day you all come 300 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:05,220 together yeah I'm not saying family's 301 00:14:08,510 --> 00:14:06,690 not a big deal here I just don't think 302 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:08,520 it's deal it is but I think it's a 303 00:14:14,990 --> 00:14:13,200 bigger deal in in Kenya it's just but 304 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:15,000 here I think in Kenya 305 00:14:22,250 --> 00:14:18,450 okay traditionally yes but still it's 306 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:22,260 not like care where you know say for 307 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:25,950 example if your son or you brother he 308 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:29,040 stuck somewhere maybe yeah you get in 309 00:14:34,430 --> 00:14:32,910 your car and go get him over there they 310 00:14:35,510 --> 00:14:34,440 don't do like it's not like I don't know 311 00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:35,520 if you understand what I'm saying 312 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:38,640 you know look if say for example you 313 00:14:43,730 --> 00:14:41,670 know your son or your brother so he's 314 00:14:46,850 --> 00:14:43,740 serving in Iraq or something like that 315 00:14:49,190 --> 00:14:46,860 and something happens to him you do 316 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:49,200 whatever it takes to go and get him well 317 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:50,720 this is as good a time as any 318 00:14:58,220 --> 00:14:53,970 Malik for us to address this conspiracy 319 00:15:02,990 --> 00:14:58,230 theory that's out there about was your 320 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:03,000 father really his father because fitting 321 00:15:08,330 --> 00:15:04,680 that conspiracy theory could be that AHA 322 00:15:11,270 --> 00:15:08,340 that's the reason why Barak is not as 323 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:11,280 close to his family now is that 324 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:13,410 somewhere along the line he realized 325 00:15:18,590 --> 00:15:16,890 that you're not really his family do you 326 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:18,600 and that it was you know this guy Joel 327 00:15:22,730 --> 00:15:20,670 what's his name the digital go but Joel 328 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:22,740 Gilbert did a whole documentary which I 329 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:23,970 watched an hour and 20 minute long 330 00:15:27,830 --> 00:15:25,950 documentary on this where I think he 331 00:15:29,390 --> 00:15:27,840 assumes a lot of facts and if you 332 00:15:30,950 --> 00:15:29,400 watched it it's pretty compelling when 333 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:30,960 you watch it that in fact bro 334 00:15:35,390 --> 00:15:33,090 senior was not his father that and said 335 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:35,400 it was Frank Marshall Davis this known 336 00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:38,280 communist in in why who happens to look 337 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:42,000 a lot like Barack any pieces together 338 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:44,130 quite quite a story some of it based on 339 00:15:50,180 --> 00:15:46,380 facts some of it conjecture you've seen 340 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:50,190 it what is your comment about that movie 341 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:54,000 having watched it and being with Barack 342 00:16:04,430 --> 00:15:57,410 jr. I think like today what you said 343 00:16:07,850 --> 00:16:04,440 Barack he wanted to find out to find his 344 00:16:11,420 --> 00:16:07,860 background you know and once he had done 345 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:11,430 that then he disposed of it I think 346 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:14,130 that's the explanation mm-hmm you know 347 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:16,410 to that now all these other things okay 348 00:16:23,690 --> 00:16:19,890 possibly yes who knows you know I wasn't 349 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:23,700 there with my my father when he was with 350 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:26,520 my mother to conceive me I wasn't there 351 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:29,370 you know so I can't say that's that 352 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:31,410 something that it's hard like you said I 353 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:32,490 would take a DNA test 354 00:16:38,990 --> 00:16:35,010 yeah that would take a yeah you know 355 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:39,000 it'll i dnt a DNA test would would be 356 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:42,570 most of the best thing to do to really 357 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:45,990 like without a doubt know that like I 358 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:47,820 told you I can't tell like even me 359 00:16:53,830 --> 00:16:49,730 whether my father was very father but 360 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:53,840 something's you know maybe who knows but 361 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:00,600 with him I took him like just you know 362 00:17:07,370 --> 00:17:02,970 at face value because my father said he 363 00:17:09,770 --> 00:17:07,380 had a son showed me some pictures the 364 00:17:13,370 --> 00:17:09,780 way he behaves sometimes that question 365 00:17:16,699 --> 00:17:13,380 that mm-hmm I really do because he's 366 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:16,709 completely flipped well let's go get 367 00:17:19,579 --> 00:17:17,970 back to that but just as far as little 368 00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:19,589 pieces of evidence that you have that it 369 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:22,020 in fact your father's his father is the 370 00:17:26,810 --> 00:17:23,970 fact that your father told you yeah I 371 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:26,820 have the son yes if he didn't you know 372 00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:29,510 why would he be continuing that lie that 373 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:32,280 or that story that Joel Gilbert tells 374 00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:33,840 you would have thought that he wouldn't 375 00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:37,860 be telling you that also certainly 376 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:42,360 Barack himself acted as if at least to 377 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:43,740 start with that you're his brother so in 378 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:44,770 his mind yes 379 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:47,170 he was the son of Barack Hussein Obama 380 00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:50,890 your your father did Barack ever 381 00:17:56,669 --> 00:17:52,900 indicate to you in any way that he had 382 00:17:59,000 --> 00:17:56,679 doubts about who his father was no no 383 00:18:09,030 --> 00:17:59,010 never never 384 00:18:11,070 --> 00:18:09,040 he was I know I never notice notice that 385 00:18:13,410 --> 00:18:11,080 did you guys ever have a conversation to 386 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:13,420 try to reconcile that tough conversation 387 00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:15,070 you had when you got on him about not 388 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:16,660 looking after did you guys ever have a 389 00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:18,850 fault oh no no not really because every 390 00:18:23,790 --> 00:18:20,350 time I wonder though I have white house 391 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:23,800 we ended up disagreeing somewhat because 392 00:18:30,510 --> 00:18:27,640 I just didn't understand that I couldn't 393 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:30,520 understand his behavior you know and why 394 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:35,050 but some inside of me I kind of did in 395 00:18:41,850 --> 00:18:38,350 that you know he was from a nobody to 396 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:41,860 talk that a big shot he's got a lot of 397 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:44,170 people around him all the sudden right 398 00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,350 yeah well my point ping to your point 399 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:49,600 he's a big shot now okay he's got Secret 400 00:18:53,610 --> 00:18:51,550 Service he's got everybody trying to get 401 00:18:56,370 --> 00:18:53,620 his ear everybody wants a piece of him 402 00:18:57,780 --> 00:18:56,380 literally around the entire world the 403 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:57,790 world leaders want to get a hold of him 404 00:19:00,660 --> 00:18:58,330 okay 405 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:00,670 so he's got a lot of people a lot of 406 00:19:11,130 --> 00:19:07,809 distractions okay so you felt that they 407 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:11,140 could have invited me for dinner at his 408 00:19:16,410 --> 00:19:14,080 place so what about during a in eight 409 00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,420 years so let's start with the campaign 410 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:18,400 once we were you in the US during the 411 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:22,770 campaign at all oh no yes I was that's 412 00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:25,330 because the campaigns were like Iran 413 00:19:34,410 --> 00:19:28,240 start about 2006 somewhere around there 414 00:19:37,650 --> 00:19:34,420 yeah yeah 2007 yeah but you were never 415 00:19:40,410 --> 00:19:37,660 on the campaign trail hours and but he 416 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:40,420 did invite you to the inauguration yes 417 00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:40,900 he did 418 00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:43,620 and how many family members went to that 419 00:19:51,390 --> 00:19:48,940 hour narration not that many was there 420 00:19:53,789 --> 00:19:51,400 how long was there and what about house 421 00:19:57,930 --> 00:19:53,799 there my mother was there 422 00:20:00,659 --> 00:19:57,940 um what about your aunt from Boston she 423 00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:00,669 came but she came on her own she just 424 00:20:06,989 --> 00:20:03,820 came she wasn't invited she just came 425 00:20:10,619 --> 00:20:06,999 and you guys are at the official 426 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:10,629 inauguration party yes and how were you 427 00:20:19,229 --> 00:20:15,129 received at the inauguration what can I 428 00:20:27,930 --> 00:20:19,239 say it was okay I mean we went to all 429 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,940 the events and okay okay what about for 430 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:29,200 the speech the inauguration speech 431 00:20:33,810 --> 00:20:30,970 itself we'll worry for that you know 432 00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:33,820 were you on the dais I was on the desk I 433 00:20:37,229 --> 00:20:35,289 wasn't in front but it was like in the 434 00:20:39,659 --> 00:20:37,239 back somewhat in the middle somewhere 435 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:39,669 around mm-hmm yeah but I was on the desk 436 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:43,210 and that's pretty impressive though I 437 00:20:46,979 --> 00:20:44,590 mean not many people get to be on the 438 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:46,989 dais for an inauguration speech I mean 439 00:20:53,159 --> 00:20:49,359 rather yours brother I'm just curious if 440 00:20:54,899 --> 00:20:53,169 you could put yourself back in your mind 441 00:20:56,879 --> 00:20:54,909 at that time as you're sitting there 442 00:20:59,220 --> 00:20:56,889 watching him give this speech what were 443 00:21:01,169 --> 00:20:59,230 you thinking at that time you know what 444 00:21:04,529 --> 00:21:01,179 still like I still had hope you know I 445 00:21:06,479 --> 00:21:04,539 still had hope we hadn't like he was 446 00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:06,489 still my brother even though you know I 447 00:21:12,019 --> 00:21:09,340 didn't it wasn't like it used to be yeah 448 00:21:17,899 --> 00:21:12,029 but you know I still felt that you know 449 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:17,909 there was room for things to change and 450 00:21:26,249 --> 00:21:23,440 it wasn't like all lost you know so how 451 00:21:28,409 --> 00:21:26,259 still there you know that's cheering for 452 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:28,419 him I was happy for him I was glad that 453 00:21:33,509 --> 00:21:30,970 I was there you know I would have done 454 00:21:35,999 --> 00:21:33,519 anything for him you know had he asked 455 00:21:38,489 --> 00:21:36,009 me to do this or do that I would have 456 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:38,499 done it has his brother you know and 457 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:40,210 even during the time he was the 458 00:21:48,749 --> 00:21:44,320 president I stood up for him on many 459 00:21:53,489 --> 00:21:48,759 occasions you know the only time that I 460 00:21:57,690 --> 00:21:53,499 you know I changed was in when I became 461 00:22:00,359 --> 00:21:57,700 a trump supporter and this is in 2016 462 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:00,369 July June or July somewhere I'm so man 463 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,609 were you hoping that perhaps he would 464 00:22:06,810 --> 00:22:04,960 give you some position in the 465 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:06,820 administration well I did when 466 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:11,139 he was elected and I was talking to him 467 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:12,370 on the phone at that time I could talk 468 00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:14,200 to him on the phone and I need to tell 469 00:22:18,509 --> 00:22:15,940 him brother you know could give me 470 00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,519 something to do to help you help you you 471 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:20,799 know let me assist you you know I mean 472 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:30,330 and I'm not his cost constituent and I 473 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:32,860 thought to myself I've been working in 474 00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:41,289 the USA since 1985 legally why can't I 475 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:45,070 what does he mean by that citizen what 476 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:46,809 do you mean so this conversation was 477 00:22:52,619 --> 00:22:49,570 after he had won but before he was Brett 478 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:52,629 Lawrie was president Wow and you weren't 479 00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:54,610 technically a citizen you're citizen now 480 00:23:01,950 --> 00:22:58,570 I understand I'd been working right I 481 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:01,960 just want the facts clear or 2005 1985 482 00:23:09,869 --> 00:23:07,840 to 2000 that's 20 years you know at that 483 00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:09,879 time I was working with chem onyx you 484 00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:14,440 know as a manager but you weren't a 485 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:16,620 citizen at the time you couldn't vote I 486 00:23:21,299 --> 00:23:19,840 couldn't go right and so I'm just I'm 487 00:23:22,649 --> 00:23:21,309 just trying to understand his comment 488 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:22,659 about you not being constituent so 489 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,700 technically he's correct you weren't a 490 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:26,320 citizen you're not a constituent but it 491 00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:29,230 does seem like a very odd statement to 492 00:23:32,850 --> 00:23:30,240 make 493 00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:32,860 what was this point I am his cost 494 00:23:38,430 --> 00:23:36,840 attorney brother you're more than a kiss 495 00:23:41,249 --> 00:23:38,440 that's why I'm saying it's such a 496 00:23:43,769 --> 00:23:41,259 strange statement but he told me that on 497 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:43,779 the phone and I said to myself you know 498 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:46,870 like with me I take it as it comes you 499 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:49,690 know I mean that's the way it is so you 500 00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:51,730 know today I take it as it comes you 501 00:23:55,499 --> 00:23:53,950 know so if that's what he was saying I 502 00:23:59,580 --> 00:23:55,509 wasn't going to argue but I did I talked 503 00:24:04,200 --> 00:23:59,590 and and I asked him to bring his my aunt 504 00:24:07,379 --> 00:24:04,210 who is his the only living real sister 505 00:24:10,289 --> 00:24:07,389 or my father she's still alive now 506 00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:10,299 she's back in Kenya for the a it's come 507 00:24:18,539 --> 00:24:14,350 to the inauguration um but he wouldn't 508 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:18,549 do it and now I'm a maybe because cuz he 509 00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:19,690 was paying for 510 00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:21,820 he paintball of it for for us going 511 00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:24,820 coming to the USA you know paid for me 512 00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:27,550 to come to the USA well let's stop there 513 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:29,320 for a second so did he pay out of his 514 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:30,490 pocket or this is a lot of the 515 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:33,940 inauguration committee money but you 516 00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:35,950 know where me I'll give it to him okay 517 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:39,100 paid he invited me I came to the of 518 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:42,310 inauguration so at that time I was you 519 00:24:49,770 --> 00:24:45,970 know we were still in you know and good 520 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:49,780 I had hopes even though the real 521 00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:52,150 relationship had changed I hadn't 522 00:24:59,850 --> 00:24:54,760 written him off when did you write him 523 00:25:01,230 --> 00:24:59,860 off I wrote him off when was it after 524 00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:01,240 that first conversation when he didn't 525 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:03,190 give you a me to called you a 526 00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:04,690 constituent or not a constitutional I 527 00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:07,270 started thinking about all this now all 528 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:10,120 this time I was like what's going on 529 00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:12,220 here because when I went to the White 530 00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:14,380 House I'd have to make my way to the 531 00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:19,360 White House you know I'd have to get to 532 00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:21,400 the White House I'd have to like reach 533 00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:22,780 out in other words you wouldn't be 534 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:24,520 invited without you asking 535 00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:27,760 no never invited to anything other than 536 00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:31,270 the inauguration yes the first one 537 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:33,100 second one I wasn't in it was you 538 00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:34,690 reaching out saying hey I'd like to come 539 00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:37,900 see my brother yes because yeah it's 540 00:25:44,670 --> 00:25:41,440 like Reggie who was he told me that 541 00:25:47,030 --> 00:25:44,680 Reggie Reggie what's his I forget his 542 00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:47,040 last name but he's the one was like his 543 00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:48,400 party man 544 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:51,340 okay hmm idea was really good good right 545 00:25:59,820 --> 00:25:54,490 he made me made it happen for me yeah 546 00:26:02,280 --> 00:25:59,830 and so I'd have to reach out to him I'd 547 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:02,290 like to see my brother then I'd have to 548 00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:06,370 wait maybe sometime in six months if I 549 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:11,680 could get you know to go okay so how 550 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:13,450 many times did you visit the White House 551 00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:15,970 after the inauguration numerous times 552 00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:20,230 and what would give me is set the scene 553 00:26:25,170 --> 00:26:23,020 for me this is Oval Office yeah I go in 554 00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:25,180 there okay and once I go in the okay he 555 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:27,190 was good you say hey brother okay 556 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:29,110 are you doing everything and so forth 557 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:32,610 and now the first time I went in there I 558 00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:37,510 went in with a proposal I went in with a 559 00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:42,670 proposal okay my foundation the Barack H 560 00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:48,430 Obama Foundation I set it up in 2008 and 561 00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:50,800 I talked to him about this prior to his 562 00:26:57,780 --> 00:26:52,860 inauguration when he had been elected 563 00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:57,790 said I once set up this foundation and 564 00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:01,840 in memory of the old man and I want us 565 00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:04,860 to is the opportunity to do something 566 00:27:12,810 --> 00:27:09,460 you know just to promote him and and and 567 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:12,820 redeem him somewhat because of what he 568 00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:13,990 had gone through you know I've been 569 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:17,320 drinking have gone down the tubes and he 570 00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:19,090 was just getting out of it 571 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:21,820 and then he died you know and here we 572 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:23,740 are here the president gonna be the 573 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:26,290 president of the USA a me I'm his eldest 574 00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:29,050 son I want to start this organization on 575 00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:32,860 a see if I can let us do something okay 576 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:36,280 that was my vision and my mission and he 577 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:39,190 tells me that I gotta shut it down well 578 00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:40,510 hold on a second I thought you said you 579 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:41,860 talked to him about it before he even 580 00:27:47,850 --> 00:27:45,760 started it right before I became before 581 00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:47,860 you his inauguration you told him you 582 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:49,870 want to start this what did he ask you 583 00:27:55,650 --> 00:27:52,390 about starting it so he said that I 584 00:27:57,630 --> 00:27:55,660 should shut it down he said you 585 00:28:00,420 --> 00:27:57,640 shouldn't start it I shouldn't started 586 00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:00,430 okay because he said number one that 587 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:02,020 they're going people gonna confuse it 588 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:04,450 with him same name 589 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:08,170 yeah same name which is a point mm-hmm 590 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:12,460 but I said no my father was the first 591 00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:16,570 Obama the Obama number two you know 592 00:28:22,170 --> 00:28:19,630 you're not really Obama he's Obama you 593 00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:22,180 know I am the first son of Obama I have 594 00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:24,580 a right to start an organization in his 595 00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:27,790 name and I'm not gonna shut it down so 596 00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:30,760 there we disagreed he told me if I don't 597 00:28:36,690 --> 00:28:34,780 shut it down he's gonna cut me off okay 598 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:36,700 so he thought that you were gonna you're 599 00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:40,090 kind of trading on his name this was an 600 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:45,340 opportunity that the American Way why 601 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:48,370 shouldn't I I've been thinking about it 602 00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:49,930 here's the opportunity why not this was 603 00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:52,120 the opportunity for me to do something 604 00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:54,580 also and we were together on this I 605 00:29:01,740 --> 00:28:56,380 didn't see that they were separated and 606 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:01,750 so forth even my book I sent him like a 607 00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:03,610 manuscript of this book this is my I 608 00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:06,220 wrote this book about our dad and I 609 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:08,500 asked him could he write a foreword for 610 00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:16,710 it I didn't get an answer didn't do it 611 00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:19,270 he was concerned that the foundation 612 00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:20,680 could be confused as being his 613 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:22,420 foundation and you're saying you 614 00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:23,530 understand that that's a point I 615 00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:26,820 understand that so was there any 616 00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:28,750 compromise where you said okay well I'll 617 00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:30,460 make sure it's clear that it's not you 618 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:35,140 because I'll call it senior or no I just 619 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:38,530 said it's my father's name you just you 620 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:42,130 just you just what do you call it what's 621 00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:45,790 the word you you happen to have my 622 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:47,560 father's name but he also happens to be 623 00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:49,960 president and nobody knows your father 624 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:52,660 but everybody knows him so he's right 625 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:54,490 people are gonna think that this is his 626 00:30:02,120 --> 00:29:58,090 so what Obama was there before him you 627 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:02,130 know I was there before him you know so 628 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:04,810 you so you understood that people might 629 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:08,020 be confused but you been your mind so 630 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:10,870 what no but if he were to say if he were 631 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:13,930 to distinguish or to be a part of this 632 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:18,010 it wouldn't be an issue if you were to 633 00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:19,930 have endorsed it it wouldn't have been 634 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:22,140 an issue he said this is my father's 635 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:25,750 foundation my father's foundation and he 636 00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,370 never said he never supported it 637 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:30,640 he didn't I don't know what maybe in the 638 00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:32,890 purpose of it was like I'm saying I have 639 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:34,590 a he's a narcissist 640 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:40,570 he feels like he's the only one yeah 641 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:43,570 well he's again he's got a lot of people 642 00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:44,770 asking him for things and a lot of 643 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:47,020 pressure and a lot of that's no excuse 644 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:52,210 to me so what was the foundation 645 00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:53,290 established for 646 00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:54,670 what did you want to accomplish with it 647 00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:57,220 like I say the mission what was like to 648 00:31:02,970 --> 00:30:59,100 [Music] 649 00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:02,980 in memory of my dad you know so that if 650 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:05,580 he were to come back you know at least 651 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:07,720 for me I would have done something for 652 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:08,290 him 653 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:16,210 is something that I would set up in his 654 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:19,270 memory to help the people in your 655 00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:22,810 village yes in tribute to him so that we 656 00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:24,670 can help the people in my village not 657 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:26,200 even the people my village but people 658 00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,810 worldwide you know starting with you 659 00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:34,320 know the people's home yes 660 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:37,420 and you explained to Barack the 661 00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:39,700 president this is why I'm doing it to 662 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:42,700 honor our Father yes and to help the 663 00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:43,930 people in Kenya 664 00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:46,390 yes very poor people in our village yes 665 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:50,640 and you're saying that he refused to 666 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:53,530 support it told he's gonna cut you off 667 00:31:58,170 --> 00:31:54,310 if you do it 668 00:32:00,150 --> 00:31:58,180 mm-hmm even though he understood that 669 00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:00,160 purpose and it was all because he 670 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:01,750 thought people would confuse it with him 671 00:32:10,260 --> 00:32:06,610 yes Who am I thinking that maybe like up 672 00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,270 until I think he he wanted he wants to 673 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:14,080 hog down to the spotlight did he suggest 674 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:16,690 a different name for it and maybe like 675 00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:18,490 he's doing right now is that maybe he 676 00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:25,180 doesn't want a knife that and that maybe 677 00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:27,430 that's Freudian oh I don't know what it 678 00:32:36,570 --> 00:32:32,520 is but somehow maybe he feel that that 679 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:36,580 because he's made it then then I may not 680 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:43,450 have a right to make it do what I'm 681 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:50,890 saying no just trying to say because you 682 00:32:59,010 --> 00:32:53,890 know or why wouldn't he want me huh 683 00:33:02,130 --> 00:32:59,020 to do something good you know if we were 684 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:02,140 to do good him and I because the bushes 685 00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:06,820 like the bushes you got Bush de piel de 686 00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:11,830 bush w bush wh bush was president 687 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:14,920 you got Jeb Bush this governor what's 688 00:33:19,170 --> 00:33:15,670 wrong with that 689 00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:19,180 you got Don jr. now look at Trump that's 690 00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:22,030 why Trump I admire that man he's not 691 00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:24,040 into all this mushy stuff that's all 692 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:27,580 lefty stuff you know whatever he is what 693 00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:31,090 can what does he need to do to get that 694 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:35,740 job done so he's got Krishna who is I do 695 00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:39,330 and he's taken him to the Middle East to 696 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:41,980 try and help out to fix that situation 697 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:44,170 he could have helped me my brother could 698 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:46,180 help I'm a Muslim he could have helped 699 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:49,510 me go to Libya like Gaddafi was my 700 00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:53,290 friend and Gaddafi asked me to come see 701 00:33:59,130 --> 00:33:56,260 or Bhama just so that they could shake 702 00:34:02,820 --> 00:33:59,140 hands he was so happy that Obama was the 703 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:02,830 president of the of America he called 704 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:06,490 him our son and he tell me Malik go tell 705 00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:08,350 your brother I just want to shake his 706 00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:12,190 hand that is enough for me so I went to 707 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:16,360 Barack I have on my list to ask you 708 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:18,910 about Muammar Qaddafi so it wasn't 709 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,290 necessarily this part of the story but 710 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:22,480 since you brought it up how did you 711 00:34:27,110 --> 00:34:23,770 develop a friendship with Muammar 712 00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:27,120 Qaddafi okay I have a friend because I 713 00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:30,940 have a friend who's from Chad friend of 714 00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:32,950 a friend of we just call me just like a 715 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:35,760 lot of people call me you know and and 716 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:39,610 so he wanted to initially he just wanted 717 00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:43,090 to help out George because your brother 718 00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:46,270 my brother George you know him being in 719 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:49,929 the slum and having a hard time and so 720 00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:53,050 forth and Obama is the president and 721 00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:55,000 Obama is not doing anything to help him 722 00:35:00,180 --> 00:34:57,940 so I think he was reaching out to see 723 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:00,190 how could he get to George and then 724 00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:03,310 somebody he knew that is Muhammad nor 725 00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:07,000 has my friend from Chad told him that in 726 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:11,080 that he do me so that's how I was 727 00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:14,250 introduced to Mohammed nor my manner was 728 00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:19,980 Muammar Gaddafi's friend you know so 729 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:23,369 then my note invited me to Dubai and 730 00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:26,730 then next thing I knew could I go see 731 00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:29,070 Gaddafi this is all happening while your 732 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,840 brother is president there's him so 733 00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:32,640 they've got a political motive to 734 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:36,359 contact you and cozy up to you because 735 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,250 they've got some type of something in 736 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:40,500 mind ultimately for you to connect them 737 00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:43,290 to the president could be yeah okay so 738 00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:46,590 he takes you to see Muammar in Tripoli 739 00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:49,350 and Trevor I don't know if he was really 740 00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:52,020 like motive because I'm a nerd many 741 00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,910 people loved Obama people loved him you 742 00:36:00,920 --> 00:35:58,500 know because of what he had done 743 00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:00,930 you know people loved him you know she 744 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:04,040 it wasn't like because they just wanted 745 00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:07,650 something you know they just so Mamadou 746 00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:10,230 loved loved Obama I guess he wanted also 747 00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:13,020 to come true just say hello that kind of 748 00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:14,820 thing and I was the closest thing 749 00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:19,160 because he's inaccessible even up to now 750 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:23,340 nobody can reach him really you know but 751 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:24,930 they can reach me because I'm exposed 752 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:27,690 and you were a known Muslim at the time 753 00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:29,430 right so I was a Muslim well of course 754 00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,470 yeah I'm his brother I mean I didn't 755 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:33,900 know I don't I didn't try to hide that 756 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:37,580 you know I'm a Muslim even right now so 757 00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:41,369 so anyway I go out there and I meet the 758 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:44,340 leader Muammar Gaddafi he's very simple 759 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:47,850 man you know living in a tent you know 760 00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,210 and so it talked this and that and he 761 00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:53,520 asked me can I do this and I try to tell 762 00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:55,560 him look it's not like that I don't just 763 00:36:59,660 --> 00:36:57,180 walk into the White House 764 00:37:01,160 --> 00:36:59,670 you know and I try to explain to him 765 00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:01,170 like I'm fine explained a lot of people 766 00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:04,619 the situation how my brother is you know 767 00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:06,270 it's like I can't reach him he's an 768 00:37:14,349 --> 00:37:10,560 inaccessible you know so and I said I'll 769 00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:14,359 try I'll try because I do get to see him 770 00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:16,859 what did he want you to say to him just 771 00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:19,590 to go and just if they could meet and 772 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:23,460 just shake hands so he wanted a meeting 773 00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:26,130 either in Libya or in DC or somewhere 774 00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:27,590 else 775 00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,300 you know he was just happy that Obama 776 00:37:32,110 --> 00:37:31,520 was president and he just wanted to say 777 00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:32,120 hello 778 00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:33,980 and I didn't have a problem with that 779 00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,660 because when I look back at it 780 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:37,760 there were diplomatic relations between 781 00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:40,970 US and Libya there was an embassy there 782 00:37:45,550 --> 00:37:43,640 I think Bush had gone in there I think 783 00:37:50,590 --> 00:37:45,560 your McCain went to Libya before that 784 00:37:53,970 --> 00:37:50,600 yes oh no I don't know so check effect 785 00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:53,980 yeah so and also retribution is it 786 00:38:02,200 --> 00:37:57,740 retribution reparations had been paid to 787 00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:02,210 those people in Scotland I'm gonna thank 788 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:04,790 her Gaddafi PETA paid them off you know 789 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:08,570 so there was there were good relations 790 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:11,510 you know with that but when I did come 791 00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:16,490 and mention this to of Obama is a bad 792 00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:18,440 man I don't know what this and that he 793 00:38:23,590 --> 00:38:20,750 can't do that that's it I said then he 794 00:38:28,270 --> 00:38:23,600 ended up killing Gaddafi him and his 795 00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:28,280 people Hillary Clinton did he chastise 796 00:38:34,330 --> 00:38:32,030 you for conducting foreign relations at 797 00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,340 one time we told me I better not to let 798 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:37,040 anybody know that I'm seeing because I'm 799 00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:38,690 thinking that you're the afraid that 800 00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:40,670 that would you know people be going 801 00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:43,160 after him that his brother is you know 802 00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:45,800 but I didn't see what the big deal was 803 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:49,430 because there was an embassy in Libya 804 00:38:55,390 --> 00:38:53,390 you know I think now they were there 805 00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:55,400 they were cooking up somebody was 806 00:39:04,360 --> 00:38:59,290 cooking up this thing of removing him 807 00:39:08,350 --> 00:39:04,370 you know so they wanted to promote you 808 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:08,360 know so start something going in Libya 809 00:39:14,170 --> 00:39:11,090 and the Gaddafi was bad in at all server 810 00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:14,180 and so forth that you know maybe it was 811 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:17,420 oppressing his people etc but you know 812 00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:19,870 in Libya there's free housing free 813 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:23,200 education free health free everything 814 00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:25,610 and when you come out of college you're 815 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:28,460 given money to start out your life now 816 00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,210 look at it now so how many times did you 817 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:34,880 go there three times they pay you 818 00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:35,300 anything 819 00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:39,500 no and each time it was wish there would 820 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:41,150 you 821 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:43,460 ask for something yeah I mean I need 822 00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:45,770 help you know I need help for my 823 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:48,140 organization I need to build factories I 824 00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:49,490 need to build hospitals 825 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:51,260 well you're not shy about asking for 826 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:52,970 help for your organization you didn't 827 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:54,770 ask Qadhafi for help for the 828 00:39:58,690 --> 00:39:56,930 organization no at the time I did ask 829 00:40:00,910 --> 00:39:58,700 him and he said he was going to build a 830 00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:00,920 school and they were building this 831 00:40:04,809 --> 00:40:02,420 secondary school over there 832 00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:04,819 the barakato - could they call it the 833 00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:05,990 Senator Obama 834 00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,720 secondary school he did nothing but 835 00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:10,400 Gaddafi would they build it right now 836 00:40:13,089 --> 00:40:12,440 you the story building and that is 837 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:13,099 Libyan money 838 00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:16,250 I've got off his money I built it so I 839 00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:19,700 needed anybody who could assist me in my 840 00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:23,359 objective in my foundation you know by 841 00:40:27,789 --> 00:40:24,920 the way I read somewhere that your 842 00:40:31,059 --> 00:40:27,799 foundation built - Moss is correct 843 00:40:37,779 --> 00:40:31,069 I built three mosques in Kenya in Kenya 844 00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:37,789 yes so part of the work of the 845 00:40:43,299 --> 00:40:41,240 foundation is for Islamic causes okay 846 00:40:46,990 --> 00:40:43,309 the foundation and the mission of the 847 00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:47,000 organization is to impact people 848 00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:50,630 everywhere for meaningful change and 849 00:41:07,750 --> 00:40:57,260 what we it's 2-dose found it and 850 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:07,760 registered here in the USA and it is it 851 00:41:15,099 --> 00:41:11,210 is established to engage in projects and 852 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:15,109 activities at various levels in the 853 00:41:30,849 --> 00:41:18,970 areas of infrastructure development in 854 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:30,859 the areas of of health education youth 855 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:34,609 sports talent arts and culture jobs in 856 00:41:40,930 --> 00:41:37,880 employment and environment can serve 857 00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:40,940 Asian and charity so maybe it's cuz 858 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:43,460 we've made a contribution to your I'm 859 00:41:46,839 --> 00:41:44,930 proud that we've made a contribution to 860 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:46,849 your charity and we're gonna ask others 861 00:41:51,549 --> 00:41:49,369 that if they would so like to contribute 862 00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,559 to the charity what in particular you 863 00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:53,839 guys working on now if somebody were to 864 00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:54,950 donate to your charity 865 00:41:58,690 --> 00:41:56,510 now it would the money would most likely 866 00:42:02,380 --> 00:41:58,700 go to what right now we have a global 867 00:42:08,339 --> 00:42:02,390 women empowerment program and a girls 868 00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:08,349 education program that that we are doing 869 00:42:21,339 --> 00:42:13,280 now the global women empowerment project 870 00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,349 is to to get women engaged in income 871 00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:23,599 generating activities so that they can 872 00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:25,910 you know provide for themselves we say 873 00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:28,880 global global not just Kenya Kenya why 874 00:42:33,579 --> 00:42:30,619 are you I mean Kenya it seems to me has 875 00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:33,589 plenty of problems why not focus just on 876 00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:37,280 Kenya so we will we will start with 877 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:40,880 Kenya and then once you know that your 878 00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:44,210 program is who working in Kenya then we 879 00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:47,900 will move out maybe to Uganda will go to 880 00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:49,070 Tanzania 881 00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:53,119 you know Burundi East Africa and then we 882 00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:56,270 move out depending on the resources that 883 00:43:01,180 --> 00:42:58,520 we can get with most things it depends 884 00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:01,190 on how much money you have you know so 885 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:05,150 if we get a good response a lot of money 886 00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:08,329 to start the microfinance and table 887 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:11,839 banking activities you know and be able 888 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:19,190 to also provide for training and how to 889 00:43:25,390 --> 00:43:22,730 manage these activities you know once we 890 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:25,400 do that if we can get enough resources 891 00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:28,089 there is a good response from our 892 00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:31,000 friends and well-wishes 893 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:35,000 then we can once we've done the Kenya 894 00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:37,250 thing and we were successful in Kenya 895 00:43:44,109 --> 00:43:40,760 then we can move out because on my 896 00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:44,119 website from any day I'm getting I'm 897 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:46,300 getting emails not just from Kenya 898 00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:49,270 because the website is this global 899 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:53,680 everybody has access to it website is 900 00:44:00,160 --> 00:43:55,540 www.hs 901 00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,170 org and everybody I get real from 902 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:02,480 Malaysia I get mail from Pakistan I get 903 00:44:08,010 --> 00:44:05,089 mail from central central Central 904 00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:08,020 America I get even mail from from 905 00:44:12,810 --> 00:44:11,020 a lot of mail from the United States and 906 00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:12,820 I have to respond to them in a way 907 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:16,150 somewhat okay so that's why we call it 908 00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:20,290 global women and we're hoping that we 909 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:25,840 could get mr. Trump support and tiffany 910 00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:27,070 tiffany his daughter 911 00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:29,830 Tiffany's support so that she can come 912 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:32,940 along just like Ivanka came to Africa 913 00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:35,170 the other day and she was in Ethiopia 914 00:44:44,010 --> 00:44:38,140 and then she went to Sierra Sierra Leone 915 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,020 to promote you know women we would like 916 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:47,440 for for Tiffany to come to Kenya also to 917 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:52,210 promote our initiative cool so did I 918 00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,650 hear you say you were not invited to the 919 00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:56,560 second no this time I was invited to the 920 00:45:02,160 --> 00:44:58,540 second now that must have really felt 921 00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:02,170 like a snub it was somewhat a snob but 922 00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:06,150 to me to the relief because you know 923 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:08,830 going through all that even now it's a 924 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:10,450 relief I feel relieved you know I don't 925 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:14,170 have to be going struggling to see my 926 00:45:20,099 --> 00:45:16,470 brother or to go to the White House 927 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:20,109 there are all these formalities you know 928 00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,090 and even if they are now variation 929 00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:24,400 they're all these formalities you know 930 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:26,950 me I'm a simple person I don't need a 931 00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:32,170 tag to go anywhere you know so so then 932 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:34,270 would I be nice for him did you visit it 933 00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:37,690 all after the in-center yes the last 934 00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:43,980 time I was visited with him was in 2015 935 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:47,640 after he came to Kenya as president I 936 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:51,430 did go to visit him and then when I when 937 00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:53,890 I visited him in where we had an 938 00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:57,070 agreement you saw him in Kenya know at 939 00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:59,650 the White House Oh before his shop after 940 00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:02,800 his trip okay you know so we had an 941 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:05,920 agreement but he didn't he didn't honor 942 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:07,930 you know he didn't do anything so I said 943 00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:08,710 to hell with him 944 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:12,070 what was the agreement number one my 945 00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:15,550 children my family's in Africa and I 946 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:17,140 need them I've been working and trying 947 00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:19,930 for the longest time to get them 948 00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:23,110 yeah has never happened I told him 949 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:25,540 brother you got to help me out if my 950 00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:27,610 family's out there and I'm over here I'm 951 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:30,430 never going to be stable and you know 952 00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:33,250 the process is that's why for me all 953 00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:35,620 these illegal immigrants coming in here 954 00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:36,940 and feeling they have a right to come to 955 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:41,230 the USA and I've been struggling you 956 00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:45,040 know to follow the legal channel and I 957 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:48,760 still haven't got anybody here know and 958 00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:52,150 so what he agreed to help in fact he 959 00:46:56,220 --> 00:46:53,830 told me why don't they you know go to 960 00:46:58,890 --> 00:46:56,230 the American Embassy and all that and I 961 00:47:00,600 --> 00:46:58,900 said to me I can't just walk in there 962 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:00,610 and say I'm the president's brother and 963 00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:03,130 I want you to do this for me you know 964 00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:06,070 I'm not that kind of person you know if 965 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,680 you could maybe if there's a way a legal 966 00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:10,720 way as the president I'm not asking you 967 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:12,910 do I don't want anything illegally done 968 00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:16,450 but if you could maybe you could you 969 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:19,180 know this is really important I think to 970 00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:20,170 your story 971 00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:23,740 it means specifically how many family 972 00:47:30,090 --> 00:47:25,180 members were you hoping he was going to 973 00:47:31,530 --> 00:47:30,100 help bring in my children I say so 974 00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:31,540 you're just talking about your own 975 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:34,150 children children helping your own 976 00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:36,130 children come here to live with you here 977 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:39,310 in the United States you know and George 978 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:41,890 is half brother I think George was the 979 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:43,510 only one that I put on there the rest 980 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:45,730 was just my family because I told him 981 00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:47,410 that you know it's difficult for me and 982 00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:48,760 that's why I keep going back and forth 983 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:52,000 you can imagine you know being here and 984 00:47:56,190 --> 00:47:53,650 your children are over there 985 00:48:02,250 --> 00:47:56,200 and you can't you can't stay here for 986 00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:02,260 too long in 2015 so you've been a 987 00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:05,110 citizen now for almost four years almost 988 00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:08,740 and your children still you and your 989 00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:10,300 brother was the President of the United 990 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:14,860 States and your children cannot come 991 00:48:21,210 --> 00:48:18,220 here now what really hurt breaks my 992 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:21,220 heart is that my two eldest children 993 00:48:33,329 --> 00:48:29,290 died 2/3 2013 and 22 2014 my firstborn 994 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:33,339 quick ooh and and my first 995 00:48:45,029 --> 00:48:39,609 his sister my second-born Rashida they 996 00:48:46,969 --> 00:48:45,039 died and I had their papers in but I 997 00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:46,979 couldn't get them over here 998 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:51,160 you see I saw my children died and not 999 00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:53,650 even a word of you know condolence 1000 00:48:59,729 --> 00:48:56,920 nothing you know so I said to myself 1001 00:49:00,329 --> 00:48:59,739 what did I do this man you know what did 1002 00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,339 I do 1003 00:49:05,309 --> 00:49:02,559 did I sleep with his wife did you think 1004 00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:05,319 what did i do how did he even learn of 1005 00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:08,289 their death I came here one time when my 1006 00:49:14,459 --> 00:49:12,369 my daughter was or sick you know and I 1007 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:14,469 said brother look I need some help you 1008 00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:17,529 know the medical bills and everything in 1009 00:49:23,339 --> 00:49:19,569 this young lady she's not doing too well 1010 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:23,349 you know okay so he gave me $5,000 he 1011 00:49:29,069 --> 00:49:25,450 did he gave me you know I'm not afraid 1012 00:49:32,249 --> 00:49:29,079 to say all that you know but well when 1013 00:49:35,459 --> 00:49:32,259 they passed away you know again there 1014 00:49:38,130 --> 00:49:35,469 was no word he never called he never 1015 00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:38,140 called me but he did you know he did 1016 00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,599 once once he called me that's when I 1017 00:49:45,269 --> 00:49:42,640 talked to either Reggie or one of those 1018 00:49:47,969 --> 00:49:45,279 girls and I said why don't you just tell 1019 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:47,979 my brother come even once say hello you 1020 00:49:53,549 --> 00:49:50,650 know so he calls once you know and I 1021 00:49:57,269 --> 00:49:53,559 think I was it was late at night in in 1022 00:49:59,219 --> 00:49:57,279 Nairobi hey brother hey I'm so I'm like 1023 00:50:03,380 --> 00:49:59,229 surprised that she gave me a call and 1024 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,390 said hey and as you said I gotta go 1025 00:50:07,650 --> 00:50:05,920 he sorry he said he had to go yeah you 1026 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:07,660 had to go after how long he's so busy 1027 00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:10,690 like you said you think all those people 1028 00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:13,630 like you keep saying he's so busy you 1029 00:50:17,459 --> 00:50:15,369 know yeah so how long was the 1030 00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:17,469 conversation I could have been not more 1031 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:22,779 than five minutes maybe even less hmm so 1032 00:50:27,959 --> 00:50:25,210 at some point you're you know your 1033 00:50:29,549 --> 00:50:27,969 feelings first its brothers then it's 1034 00:50:31,859 --> 00:50:29,559 like okay we're family but we're not 1035 00:50:33,930 --> 00:50:31,869 close and then at some point it really 1036 00:50:36,569 --> 00:50:33,940 gets the point where you are very upset 1037 00:50:38,579 --> 00:50:36,579 with him to the point that I felt like 1038 00:50:41,489 --> 00:50:38,589 maybe he just didn't want me around you 1039 00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:41,499 know like I was just like imposing on 1040 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:43,510 him cuz 1041 00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:46,810 no I was like a something bad something 1042 00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:49,180 to him you know maybe I don't know maybe 1043 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:54,100 maybe I'm too black who knows you 1044 00:50:59,490 --> 00:50:56,530 playing the race card play the race card 1045 00:51:00,930 --> 00:50:59,500 have you say who knows maybe you can 1046 00:51:03,330 --> 00:51:00,940 tell me what are you telling me because 1047 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:03,340 he was busy he's the president 1048 00:51:07,170 --> 00:51:05,650 he's got leaders of the the world that 1049 00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:07,180 he's got Hillary Clinton and he's got 1050 00:51:13,550 --> 00:51:09,190 all those people he's got I don't know 1051 00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:13,560 who this is dealing with weighty matters 1052 00:51:22,070 --> 00:51:15,300 okay 1053 00:51:24,690 --> 00:51:22,080 say that's what you're saying right well 1054 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:24,700 we've talked about family and him not 1055 00:51:28,890 --> 00:51:26,410 being as committed to family as you are 1056 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:28,900 and him being president and having lots 1057 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:31,150 of distractions but you also the fact 1058 00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:33,100 that as you point out he very 1059 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:34,870 specifically did not want you to start 1060 00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:37,600 that foundation and you did and I did 1061 00:51:41,850 --> 00:51:38,200 yes 1062 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:41,860 been happy about you meeting with 1063 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:44,110 Qaddafi you see and he's not maybe he's 1064 00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:45,850 pissed off because I'm his elder brother 1065 00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:48,550 you know so I feel it's my right you 1066 00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,670 know to you know I'm his elder brother 1067 00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:53,440 he can be the president but I'm still 1068 00:52:01,100 --> 00:51:59,200 the king you know so my way it goes your 1069 00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:01,110 king and he's president he's president 1070 00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:03,000 [Laughter] 1071 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:09,000 you know what you call the friction 1072 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:11,290 going you know okay so he's not 1073 00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:12,250 president anymore 1074 00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,920 does anything changed yeah so I guess he 1075 00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:17,200 was thinking he's as the president that 1076 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:20,350 I need I need to listen to to him 1077 00:52:23,810 --> 00:52:22,090 because he's like giving instructions 1078 00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:23,820 and people are doing what he's supposed 1079 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,070 what he wants them to do yeah I am 1080 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:29,920 Malik you know and I won't listen to him 1081 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:32,170 you know so maybe I don't who knows 1082 00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:34,930 that's what it is you know well and and 1083 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:36,910 then then you become a trump supporter 1084 00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,650 that probably didn't help yeah I know 1085 00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:42,880 we're wrapping up because we gotta go 1086 00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,340 eat but but you gotta tell us the story 1087 00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:47,920 of being invited to the debate by Donald 1088 00:52:54,330 --> 00:52:51,240 Trump yeah so what happened is that 1089 00:52:56,770 --> 00:52:54,340 Chuck Johnson arranged all that a man 1090 00:52:58,930 --> 00:52:56,780 array based in 1091 00:53:02,110 --> 00:52:58,940 and they asked me you know how would you 1092 00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,120 like to go to the debate and I said for 1093 00:53:06,730 --> 00:53:04,880 sure definitely by that time you know I 1094 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:06,740 was really impressed by mr. Trump you 1095 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:09,170 know he was like he tell you off you 1096 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:11,690 know you just speak his mind he wasn't 1097 00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:14,810 like hey what he wasn't into the image 1098 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:18,110 thing you know and I like that kind of 1099 00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:19,250 person you know person who 1100 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:20,540 straightforward and you know 1101 00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:22,850 shoot-from-the-hip not concerned with 1102 00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:25,670 political crises he want you know he's 1103 00:53:31,540 --> 00:53:29,470 gonna do what he's gonna do he's gonna 1104 00:53:33,490 --> 00:53:31,550 what-you-see-is-what-you-get you know 1105 00:53:36,610 --> 00:53:33,500 and I like that kind of person and let's 1106 00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:36,620 just be 100% clear your support for 1107 00:53:39,220 --> 00:53:38,300 Trump had nothing to do with the 1108 00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:39,230 problems you were having with your 1109 00:53:45,580 --> 00:53:41,630 brother it had a lot oh yeah because I 1110 00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:45,590 said now if he's talking about you know 1111 00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:49,520 my brother's keeper and this is how he 1112 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:51,110 treats his own brother and his family 1113 00:53:57,460 --> 00:53:55,730 you know and then he's talking about all 1114 00:53:59,710 --> 00:53:57,470 these things that he's gonna do for his 1115 00:54:03,330 --> 00:53:59,720 community and he can't do it for his 1116 00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:03,340 family you know I mean to me that was a 1117 00:54:09,970 --> 00:54:08,300 hypocrisy you know if he you know if 1118 00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:09,980 he's gonna do all these good things for 1119 00:54:13,390 --> 00:54:11,780 all these people and can do these could 1120 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:13,400 all these good things to his closest 1121 00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,130 people you know what kind of person is 1122 00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:19,040 that you know and my conversations and 1123 00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:21,320 interactions with him all those eight 1124 00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,880 years to me you know it was like he's 1125 00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:27,440 saying one thing but he's doing another 1126 00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:30,110 thing he's portraying one image here 1127 00:54:39,130 --> 00:54:36,830 publicly but you know is it privately of 1128 00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:39,140 it's not it's a different thing 1129 00:54:47,890 --> 00:54:43,190 so and and then I was then I looked and 1130 00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:47,900 what happened was it with the email the 1131 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:52,070 email what do you call the email Hilary 1132 00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:54,770 email investigation yeah the server and 1133 00:54:59,770 --> 00:54:57,920 so on the server and how she would go 1134 00:55:03,100 --> 00:54:59,780 out you know she would do all those 1135 00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:03,110 things that and she's the the the the 1136 00:55:08,980 --> 00:55:06,080 Secretary of State so she she was the 1137 00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:08,990 custodian you know and she would say 1138 00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:10,510 that she didn't know that she was doing 1139 00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:13,630 and I said to myself what kind of person 1140 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:15,990 is this and this is the person who is 1141 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:18,670 you know a part of the my brother's 1142 00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:21,490 administration she's a Democrat and so 1143 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:30,390 advocating for the well-being of the 1144 00:55:34,290 --> 00:55:32,650 poor and this and when I looked at the 1145 00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:34,300 black neighborhoods and so forth 1146 00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:35,980 they're still the same blacks are not 1147 00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:38,590 doing any better I said to myself and 1148 00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:41,590 then I saw mr. Trump speaking in North 1149 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:44,280 either North Carolina South Carolina and 1150 00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,450 something just clicked and I just 1151 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:48,880 flipped and I said this is the man you 1152 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,440 know and then I thought of what the 1153 00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,720 Republicans stood for and that was 1154 00:55:58,020 --> 00:55:55,119 economic empowerment because at the end 1155 00:56:02,310 --> 00:55:58,030 of the or had at the end of it at the 1156 00:56:05,790 --> 00:56:02,320 bottom of it that's what Republicans are 1157 00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:05,800 for you know economic empowerment they 1158 00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:07,950 believe in business big business and 1159 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:11,550 wealth and so forth and I said and not 1160 00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:15,760 what do you call it welfare and and big 1161 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:18,270 government growing the pie and sort of 1162 00:56:23,099 --> 00:56:20,890 focusing on dividing up on dividing the 1163 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:23,109 fight so that they're now this is where 1164 00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:26,410 I'm supposed to be so that's how I 1165 00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:29,230 became a Republican so did you meet 1166 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:33,220 Trump actually we were on stage after 1167 00:56:41,070 --> 00:56:37,810 the debate and I was going to go up to 1168 00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:41,080 upstage and and shake his hand but then 1169 00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:42,700 there are too many people those too much 1170 00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:45,640 shoving and pushing and I don't shove it 1171 00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:48,070 up don't push you know and at the same 1172 00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:51,300 time I was to be on Hannity show so 1173 00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:54,790 Shawn was also I needed to be at the 1174 00:56:59,460 --> 00:56:57,460 studio so I just said oh well I've done 1175 00:57:02,220 --> 00:56:59,470 what I'm supposed to do at least have 1176 00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,230 shown my face people know who I'm 1177 00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:05,200 supporting hope that this will go a long 1178 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:09,940 way in you know helping mr. Trump so you 1179 00:57:12,510 --> 00:57:11,410 were okay you liked the way they 1180 00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:12,520 position it because it because the media 1181 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:13,990 made a big deal and Trump I guess 1182 00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,050 started it by making a big deal that 1183 00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:19,359 Barack Obama President Obama's brother 1184 00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,510 is coming to show his support for Trump 1185 00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,400 in the debate versus 1186 00:57:28,830 --> 00:57:27,040 Hilary yes you were okay with them 1187 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:28,840 promoting it that way well I don't know 1188 00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:30,970 because I was like gue heading out to 1189 00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:34,480 the debate and all of a sudden my you 1190 00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:37,900 know I was splashed on the news you know 1191 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:41,790 CNN had me on the Fox had me on their 1192 00:57:47,370 --> 00:57:44,770 MSNBC had me on there and I'll just 1193 00:57:49,410 --> 00:57:47,380 heading out and boom my face and 1194 00:57:51,180 --> 00:57:49,420 everything and I say wow you know I 1195 00:57:52,350 --> 00:57:51,190 wasn't use that kind of publicity you 1196 00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:52,360 thought you were just gonna be in the 1197 00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:54,820 audience turns out they really put you 1198 00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:57,460 up as a prop in showings that AHA the 1199 00:58:00,090 --> 00:57:58,570 president's brother is supporting 1200 00:58:04,290 --> 00:58:00,100 trouble yes and when I went there I was 1201 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:04,300 on the first first row yeah so what were 1202 00:58:08,490 --> 00:58:05,530 you okay with the fact that they 1203 00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:08,500 promoted it that way yeah as long as you 1204 00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:12,640 know we were gonna beat them damn it and 1205 00:58:17,580 --> 00:58:14,740 you did yes and we did and we're gonna 1206 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:17,590 beat them again 2020 huh so and what 1207 00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:19,570 about ever since then Metro 1208 00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,390 no I haven't met him no that's kakano 1209 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:23,920 disappointed because seem like he's 1210 00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:26,050 turning out the same way Obama was you 1211 00:58:31,550 --> 00:58:28,560 know supported Obama of all those years 1212 00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:31,560 but you know he took me he didn't 1213 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:34,900 appreciate my support yeah and even mr. 1214 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:36,730 Trump uh still support him I still like 1215 00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:39,850 her where he is but I feel like you know 1216 00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:42,550 he hasn't really acknowledged me okay so 1217 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:44,380 before we wrap up let's just sum up 1218 00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:45,970 things with your with your brother have 1219 00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:48,550 an autobiographical harder biography 1220 00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:50,560 that ever that I'm finished with and I'm 1221 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:53,980 looking for a publisher now do you hope 1222 00:58:59,780 --> 00:58:56,290 to reconcile with your brother I hope so 1223 00:59:03,240 --> 00:58:59,790 and have you made any effort to do that 1224 00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:03,250 no cuz there's no way that I can reach 1225 00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:07,270 him he can reach me being a piece a 1226 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:12,910 Nobel Peace Prize recipient should be 1227 00:59:17,810 --> 00:59:14,650 able to promote peace between him and I 1228 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:17,820 he should how mosa a peace ambassador 1229 00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:21,010 but I can't reach him so he could and 1230 00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:23,350 the perfect opportunity if he really was 1231 00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:29,470 a peace maker was a time recently when 1232 00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:33,310 he came to to Kenya he came to last year 1233 00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:35,950 right to my home yes and he could have 1234 00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,240 come to me 1235 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:39,040 he could have were you there at the time 1236 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:42,130 yes I was he could have come to me and 1237 00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:44,290 did he see a luma yeah he was with a 1238 00:59:48,089 --> 00:59:46,660 woman but he was passing through another 1239 00:59:51,569 --> 00:59:48,099 thing is he was passing through 1240 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:51,579 he didn't come specifically to Kenya to 1241 00:59:57,420 --> 00:59:53,650 see Kenyans but he was going to South 1242 00:59:59,549 --> 00:59:57,430 Africa for some speech you know so he 1243 01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,559 just was passing through didn't say a 1244 01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:01,599 lot of anybody he I mean he just passed 1245 01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:04,329 through well he also supported she 1246 01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:06,700 opened up some type of a center right in 1247 01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:10,079 in Kenya yes yes yes yes yes 1248 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:13,950 so he's supporting I Alma but not you 1249 01:00:22,620 --> 01:00:18,130 yeah so maybe she is kind of the key to 1250 01:00:24,299 --> 01:00:22,630 bring you guys together who knows well 1251 01:00:26,339 --> 01:00:24,309 we're gonna play our part I'm gonna 1252 01:00:28,589 --> 01:00:26,349 extend an invitation to your brother to 1253 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:28,599 come here and sit down with me yes tell 1254 01:00:33,059 --> 01:00:30,250 his side of the story I didn't tell his 1255 01:00:35,059 --> 01:00:33,069 story tell him I'm ready to reconcile I 1256 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:35,069 don't have a problem with that you know 1257 01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:38,650 we should be you know together as a 1258 01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,280 family 1259 01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:42,400 I hope that he doesn't forget how it 1260 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:46,390 used to be disappointed that because 1261 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:48,089 he's a president and now he's a big-shot 1262 01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:51,609 that he's sort of like up in the air you 1263 01:00:56,700 --> 01:00:54,430 know but I've been told that even if 1264 01:00:59,730 --> 01:00:56,710 you're flying with the Eagles your feet 1265 01:01:03,480 --> 01:00:59,740 should be on the ground you know but I 1266 01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:03,490 guess he's all 'but now his somewhat you 1267 01:01:09,870 --> 01:01:05,950 know somewhere else is different from 1268 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:09,880 ours but you know with us we'll do the 1269 01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,450 best we can 1270 01:01:16,109 --> 01:01:12,720 he'll do the best in my organization 1271 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:16,119 hopefully I get some sort of I hope that 1272 01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:20,650 and I appeal to friends and the 1273 01:01:25,859 --> 01:01:23,020 well-wishers people of goodwill to 1274 01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:25,869 support the Barack H Obama foundation in 1275 01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:29,440 our quest to promote women and young 1276 01:01:37,799 --> 01:01:36,160 girls in Kenya and beyond well we 1277 01:01:39,059 --> 01:01:37,809 support the foundation and I hope that 1278 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:39,069 you'll be able to reconcile with your 1279 01:01:42,569 --> 01:01:40,690 brother thank you watching thank you for